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Minutes- Dec. 11, 2019

Child Care Advisory Committee

December 11, 2019

Members Present:

Stephanie Lippert Jennifer Towell Gayla Ham
Rachel Proper Jason Charles Midge Woodard
Tammy Maus Harold Jergenson Michelle Stasser
Rose Jackson Jaremy Andrews William Alexander
Kay Floyd Angela Whisnant Cheryl Hight
Gayla Carnagey Kathy Castleberry  

Members not Present:  

Aimee Ryan Ari Conner Audra Haney
Carrie Jacobs Debra Andersen Felicia Jackson
Jennifer McKay Peggy Byerly Steve Blunk

Others Present:

Matthew Crum Angela Duckett Katie Quebedeaux
Shaunda Williams Ashley Ousley Leslie Bradford
Linda Whaley Chelsea Wells Shannon Kaelin
Denise Anderson Michelle Spears Mindy Yoder
Janell Wheat Linda Bradford Susan Case
Amy Cornelson Christy Kastl Kristi Simpson
Carole Turner Wendy Argo Paula Koos
Terri Davis Leah Maloy Constanzia Nizza
Tiffany Carss Mitzi Lee Amie McDaniel
McKenzee Rogers Paul Scott Andrew Norton
Shane Williams    
  • Meeting Notices:
    • The Agenda and Meeting Notice were posted  11/27/2019 on  with a  list of all CCAC meetings for 2019 submitted to the Secretary of State on 01/09/2019
    • The Meeting Notice was posted at Boys Town Ranch on 12/10/2019
  • Call to Order:
    • Jason Charles called meeting to order at 10:03 am
  • Reflection:
    • Brent Thackerson provided words of reflection
  • Introductions
  • Approval of Minutes:  
    • September 11, 2019 minutes were approved  
  • Standing Membership Subcommittee Report:
    • Rachel Proper provided report
    • Vacancies:
      • Tribal Child Care Representative
        • Committee recommends Gayla Carnagey to replace Eloise Locust
        • Gayla's designee will be Angela Whisnant
        • Gayla has also volunteered to chair the Membership Subcommittee
        • Motion to approve recommendation was voted on and approved           
      • Rural Family Child Care Homes – still vacant
      • Part-day Programs – still vacant
      • Motion to approve these two recommendations was voted on and approved unanimously     
      • Private Partnership vacancy previously held by Annie VanHanken whose term expired
        • The discussion to allow this position to term out and not fill the vacancy on the committee was tabled from September meeting
        • An employee of Sunbeam Family Services has volunteered for this position
        • The subcommittee's initial recommendation was to allow position to term but after today's discussion they now recommend to retain this position
          • Motion to approve recommendation was voted on and approved unanimously           
      • Six attended this morning's New Member Orientation
        • Angela Duckett – OPSR designee
        • Stephanie Lippert
        • Gayla Carnagey – Tribal Child Care
        • Angela Whisnant – Tribal Child Care designee
        • Kathy Castleberry – Kay Floyd's designee
        • Malcom Phillips – Brent Thackerson's designee

  • Standing Subcommittee Reports:
    • Child Care Facilities (centers) Standing Subcommittee
      • Tammy Maus/Gayla Ham provided report
        • The subcommittee has met several times over the last year in the OKC and Tulsa area – out of those meetings a workgroup was created specifically to provide recommendations regarding child care complaints
          • Final report of the workgroup was reviewed and discussed
    • Family Child Care Homes Standing Subcommittee
      • No report
    • QRIS Standing Subcommittee
      • Rachel Proper provided report
        • Last met on Nov. 13
        • Viewed presentation on the Pyramid Model which is an example of a Model of Care. The subcommittee is considering incorporating this in to their recommendations
        • They continue their work on the draft of the possible expansion of the STARS program to a 5 star system
        • Next meeting is today, Dec. 11, at this location
    • Residential Standing Subcommittee
      • Brent Thackerson provided report
      • Last met on Nov. 5
        • An issue that was raised by a provider in the Tulsa area was First Aid CPR - A lot of hospitals require their nurses to do BLS (Basic Life Support), which is AED and CPR, but don't require them to do First Aid. If they hire a nurse that's been certified through a hospital they may have done their BLS training yesterday but they would still have to do a First Aid training separately because most hospitals believe if you have a nursing license you've been trained in First Aid – that's not necessarily something that changes a lot – AED and CPR which they should be updated on regularly
          • The request is that nurses who are licensed in BLS be recognized as having an appropriate level of training without having to go through extra steps that delay hiring
          • After a recommendation is submitted, Licensing will review and look at what requirements would need to be changed, then that would be presented to the group that does policy and requirement changes

  • Legislative Update:
    • Linda Whaley provided report and handout
  • Licensing Sanctions Report:
    • Kristi Simpson provided report and handout
  • Old Business:
    • Ad Hoc Committee convened to provide recommendations for changing the legislation that forms the CCAC.
      • Committee members – Brent Thackerson (Chairperson), Peggy Byerly, Tammy Maus, Rachel Proper, Ari Conner, Jason Charles, Mitzi Lee, Gayla Ham
      • Senator Paul Scott attended today to take any questions about the amended bill
      • Representative Louis Moore was also presented with committee's recommended changes and he provided feedback
      • The subcommittee will meet today for a brief discussion after CCAC
  • New Business:
    • Everyone received a copy of the new copy of the law that was effective Nov. 1, 2019
      • The only change to this law is the change for an options for programs that participate the Quality Rating Improvement System (QRIS) as a 1 STAR plus or higher and has a center with a capacity of 50 or more – can request their annual STAR review
        • There are 3 STAR reviews per year – 2 partial and 1 full – their 1 full can be by appointment

  • Public Comments:
    • Shane Williams – Faith Learning Center, Guymon
      • Comments regarding Bill 1020 
        • Main focus is false claims submitted to complaint system within Child Care Licensing
        • Complaints should not be anonymous or require a deposit to submit to help reduce the amount of false claims
        • Help DHS prioritize investigations
    • Christy Kastl, Executive Director Crème de la Crème
      • In TX and other states people that make false claims are charged with a misdemeanor
      • Has four degrees and is working towards her PhD
        • CECPD Professional Development tells her that two of her degrees don't count and has to spend $20 to take a course online
          • She was formerly a trainer for CECPD and is also an adjunct professor for MACU
          • She can/is teaching college students but yet her degree doesn't count to teach child care workers
          • There needs to be a level system for CECPD
          • Would like to be involved with trying to change the regulations for training hours
    • Janell Wheat, Child Care Center Operator, Purcell    
      • Due to what other providers in the area believe is over-regulation she is the:
        • Only center that serves DHS subsidy families and the;
        • Only center that takes infants
      • Also agreed with deposits for complaints and misdemeanors for false claims and changes regarding First Aid CPR requirements
      • Recently expanded her center with an upstairs addition – paid $54,000 for a sprinkler system – meet requirements set by code enforcement and fire marshal – DHS has to measure and won't accept the engineered plans that were approved by code enforcement and fire marshal
        • DHS licensing workers that came to facility at different times to take measurements – were all different – wants DHS to accept engineering plans
      • Co-pay issues
        • Parents should pay the state the co-pay instead of providers because they have no recourse before non-payment

  • Meeting adjourned at 11:45 am
  • Next Meetings:
    • Wednesday, March 11, 2020 – Catholic Charities
    • Wednesday, June 10, 2020 – TBD
    • Wednesday, September 9, 2020 – TBD
    • Wednesday, December 9, 2020 - TBD